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2023 Israel-Hamas war: Micah's Idol (Part 2)

Vorastra said:
I wish more Israelis were as honest as these ones instead of being the usual underhanded snakes.
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Time will tell whether it will happen, but the bulldozing and clearing is happening. The place is already destroyed, and many still standing buildings are now hazardous, so it is normal. The question is what happens next? Gaza will have to be rebuilt; it is more who the occupants will be.

In the instance that Israel will expropriate the areas, or as they would deem, reclaim. I am sure that the US and the UK would already know Israel's intention to do so. The West has been managing Israel's public perception and their image.

The US better come up with a Palestinian-solution, quick. The USA's reputation will be shot should the Palestinians be pushed into a desert. They know this too.

It seems that my ‘siener’ remarks are coming true ;)
 
Fulcrum29 said:
The US better come up with a Palestinian-solution, quick. The USA's reputation will be shot should the Palestinians be pushed into a desert. They know this too.

It seems that my ‘siener’ remarks are coming true ;)
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the US regime doesn't care about reputation, they have the dollar and over 800 military bases around the world, they rule through violence, not through reputation
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Time will tell whether it will happen, but the bulldozing and clearing is happening. The place is already destroyed, and many still standing buildings are now hazardous, so it is normal. The question is what happens next? Gaza will have to be rebuilt; it is more who the occupants will be.

In the instance that Israel will expropriate the areas, or as they would deem, reclaim. I am sure that the US and the UK would already know Israel's intention to do so. The West has been managing Israel's public perception and their image.

The US better come up with a Palestinian-solution, quick. The USA's reputation will be shot should the Palestinians be pushed into a desert. They know this too.

It seems that my ‘siener’ remarks are coming true ;)
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Not read them, but the one about WW3 starting in the ME?
 
saturnz said:
the US regime doesn't care about reputation, they have the dollar and over 800 military bases around the world, they rule through violence, not through reputation
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I am not going to post the whole opinion piece, but the author worked at Chatman House, he knows a thing or two about policy.

www.lowyinstitute.org

Gaza and re-imagining international order | Lowy Institute

The events of the past month show that the usual recipes for global problem-solving are no longer fit for purpose.
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Gaza and re-imagining international order​


The events of the past month show that the usual recipesfor global problem-solving are no longer fit for purpose.

The conflict in Gaza has become the latest theatre of nightmares in an increasingly fragmented and chaotic world. The sheer horror of Hamas’ terrorist assault on southern Israel, and the mounting number of Palestinian civilian casualties arising from the Israeli response, have stunned television audiences around the globe and left policymakers flatfooted.

The violence has not only thrown the Middle East into further turmoil, but raises serious questions about American power and the future of the international system. Following on from the carnage caused by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, the conflict has become a microcosm of global disorder and anarchy. It has highlighted the breakdown of international norms, the diminished authority of the United States, and the growing divide between the West and the Global South.

Hamas’ incursion has exposed the bankruptcy of American policy towards the Middle East. Under Donald Trump and then Joe Biden, Washington had attempted to neutralise the Palestinian issue by, de facto, abandoning the prospect of a two-state solution. The hope, as embodied in the Abraham Accords of September 2020, was that Israel and “moderate” Arab states such as Saudi Arabia and the Gulf nations would agree a modus vivendi that would establish functional stability in the Middle East. Regionally, this would help contain Iranian ambitions; farther afield, it would enable Washington to focus on its primary strategic preoccupation: the rise of China. The Middle East would be relegated to a second-order priority.

That policy is now in ruins...
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There are valid takeaways in that piece. The US needs to remain credible to maintain their liberal world order. In a time the current liberal world is leaning more to the right. Biden would too now have to pander to the right-leaning constituents.
 
Sapphiron said:
Tell me you don't have a counter argument, without telling me you don't have a counter argument.
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I don't have to have a counter argument, you are giving me your subjective view of evil, meaning someone else can have a different view.

You need to provide an objective description of what is evil, I'm not interested in your opinion on what is evil.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
I am not going to post the whole opinion piece, but the author worked at Chatman House, he knows a thing or two about policy.

www.lowyinstitute.org

Gaza and re-imagining international order | Lowy Institute

The events of the past month show that the usual recipes for global problem-solving are no longer fit for purpose.
www.lowyinstitute.org www.lowyinstitute.org



There are valid takeaways in that piece. The US needs to remain credible to maintain their liberal world order. In a time the current liberal world is leaning more to the right. Biden would too now have to pander to the right-leaning constituents.
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I like to call the democrats conservatives and the republicans fascists. It tracks much more closely with their actions.

America desperately needs a left leaning or labour centric partly to balance their ****.
 
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Sapphiron said:
I like to call the democrats conservatives and the republicans fascists. It tracks much more closely with they actions.

America desperately needs a left leaning or labour centre partly to balance their ****.
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Agree.
 
saturnz said:
I don't have to have a counter argument, you are giving me your subjective view of evil, meaning someone else can have a different view.

You need to provide an objective description of what is evil, I'm not interested in your opinion on what is evil.
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Your morals come from books written thousands of year ago. it's all made up. All morals are subjective and require definition. It's the nature of perspective and language.

This is why I started by giving my system of morals goals, so that we can have a discussion around how best to define good or evil in the context of whether they help or hinder in those goals.

How about you tell me what you misunderstood, or provide better goals for a system of morals.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
Time will tell whether it will happen, but the bulldozing and clearing is happening. The place is already destroyed, and many still standing buildings are now hazardous, so it is normal. The question is what happens next? Gaza will have to be rebuilt; it is more who the occupants will be.

In the instance that Israel will expropriate the areas, or as they would deem, reclaim. I am sure that the US and the UK would already know Israel's intention to do so. The West has been managing Israel's public perception and their image.

The US better come up with a Palestinian-solution, quick. The USA's reputation will be shot should the Palestinians be pushed into a desert. They know this too.

It seems that my ‘siener’ remarks are coming true ;)
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I recall also saying that the goal was to take Gaza and make the West Bank the new issue.

I agree you've been saying it more consistently though.

What still puzzles me are the people of Gaza. Egypt refuses to take them. I assume they're going to bus them to the West Bank.

If I were Israel, with the eventual goal of all Palestinians yeeted. Bus them all to the West Bank. In a few decades, start a war with Jordan, push them all into Jordan.
 
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U.S. considers striking Yemeni group | Semafor

Officials weight a strike against the Houthis against the risk of a wider war.
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U.S. considers striking Yemeni group​

The Pentagon is deliberating whether to directly strike Houthi rebel military targets in Yemen in response to the Iranian-backed militia’s escalating attacks on military and commercial shipping in the Red Sea.

Biden administration officials told Semafor they’re increasingly concerned that the Houthis, and their sponsors in Tehran, are trying to undermine global maritime trade, both to undercut trade to Israel and to raise the costs to the U.S. and its allies for supporting the Jewish state’s now 11-week war in Gaza against the Palestinian militant group Hamas. Already, some global shipping lines are diverting their cargo traffic away from the Red Sea and Suez Canal to routes circling the Horn of Africa, which significantly increases transit times and costs.

But U.S. officials say they’re weighing a strike on the Houthis against their fears of potentially fueling a broader war against Iran and its proxies. Biden administration officials have repeatedly said their priority is keep the Middle East conflict solely focused on backing Israel’s campaign to dislodge Hamas from its base in Gaza, though they haven’t ruled out more aggressive military operations. Iranian-backed militias have also launched dozens of attacks on U.S. military bases in Iraq and Syria over the past two months.

“As we’ve demonstrated in the past… our military will not hesitate to take action where we deem it necessary and appropriate, including to protect against actions in the maritime domain that could threaten our troops,” Pentagon spokesman Gen. Patrick Ryder said in Washington this week in reference to the Houthi attacks.

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Despite these stakes, Nagata and a number of current and former U.S. defense officials warned the U.S. and its allies face major risks if they strike against the Houthis and other Iranian allies. Tehran has cultivated and built assets in so many Mideast countries that they could retaliate in multiple theaters at once. “Is this a moment where we can clip Iran’s wings or push them back strategically? Nagata said. “Our timing is awful, because, in my humble opinion, Iran is in the strongest strategic position, I think they’ve probably ever been in, since the revolution.”

Iran’s defense minister warned the U.S. and its allies against growing their naval presence in the Persian Gulf and Red Sea and expanding the activities of Task Force 153. “Nobody can make a move in a region where we have predominance,” Mohammad Reza Ashtiani told Iranian state media on Thursday.
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Lieutenant General Michael Nagata headed the US Special Operations in the Middle East under the Obama Administration. The Saudis issued a similar warning.
 
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