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2023 Israel-Hamas war: Micah's Idol (Part 2)

saturnz said:
you need to calm down, I have no idea what you are ranting about here
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I am calm, but that is how ridiculous your argument sounds :p

If Israel is funding Hamas, why are they spending so much time hiding in other Arab countries? Why are other Arab countries retaliating on Hamas' behalf? Obvious Israel must be funding them too, by that logic?
 
SNUFF said:
I am calm, but that is how ridiculous your argument sounds :p

If Israel is funding Hamas, why are they spending so much time hiding in other Arab countries? Why are other Arab countries retaliating on Hamas' behalf? Obvious Israel must be funding them too, by that logic?
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your deflection doesn't help you

its not a matter of if Israel is funding hamas, its been proven over and over with Israeli sources, and I have to be very precise with my language, they helped and assisted in financing hamas

I'm not sure why people are still in denial about this
 
saturnz said:
the point made is that Palestinians supported Hamas with dancing and voting, so they deserve what they get, thats a point that has been often repeated in this thread

but Israel supports Hamas, and thats just something thats inconvenient and ignored

this has nothing to do with your religious framing of events, this is simple hypocrisy
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And another hippocracy point is ,their using of its people as human shields ,while the zionists did the exact same thing . And let's not start with the war mongering.
 
greenbean32 said:
And another hippocracy point is ,their using of its people as human shields ,while the zionists did the exact same thing . And let's not start with the war mongering.
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the issue is about support as a justification for the violence, your deflection is not something I'm interested in
 
saturnz said:
your deflection doesn't help you

its not a matter of if Israel is funding hamas, its been proven over and over with Israeli sources, and I have to be very precise with my language, they helped and assisted in financing hamas

I'm not sure why people are still in denial about this
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Who is in denial? Obviously they sent them money, and even if Isreal sent them money weekly, to their bank accounts privately, it is not enough to control an entire ideology, it is not enough to control every country that is in support of Hamas and Palestine.

This is a drop in the ocean of the ideology that runs Hamas, it is irrelevant of the multiple nations that protect and support hamas.

Who do you think has sent MORE money to Hamas? Iran or Israel?
 
SNUFF said:
Who is in denial? Obviously they sent them money, and even if Isreal sent them money weekly, to their bank accounts privately, it is not enough to control an entire ideology, it is not enough to control every country that is in support of Hamas and Palestine.

This is a drop in the ocean of the ideology that runs Hamas, it is irrelevant of the multiple nations that protect and support hamas.

Who do you think has sent MORE money to Hamas? Iran or Israel?
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I'm not talking about controlling ideology, once again you are ranting

stick to the point

Israel supported Hamas...
 
SNUFF said:
That is not the answer.

Who has sent MORE money to hamas?
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who cares, the Palestinians have no money and no power, but they are on the receiving end of violence because they "voted" and "danced" and filled in "surveys"

your attempt to define the parameters of what constitutes support does not matter
 
saturnz said:
who cares, the Palestinians have no money and no power, but they are on the receiving end of violence because they "voted" and "danced" and filled in "surveys"

your attempt to define the parameters of what constitutes support does not matter
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Just wondering why Israel(jews) sending a measely amount of money vs Iran(Muslims) sending huge swatches of money doesn't paint a completely different picture for you?

Surely if what Israel did to support Hamas makes them guilty in your eye, then what Iran has done makes them XTRA SUPER guilty, right?

So what is the point you are making about SOME Israelis sending money thru to Hamas again?
 
SNUFF said:
Just wondering why Israel(jews) sending a measely amount of money vs Iran(Muslims) sending huge swatches of money doesn't paint a completely different picture for you?

Surely if what Israel did to support Hamas makes them guilty in your eye, then what Iran has done makes them XTRA SUPER guilty, right?

So what is the point you are making about SOME Israelis sending money thru to Hamas again?
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LOL @ measly amount

cool story

$30m a month is measly, got it
 
saturnz said:
once again another deflection

the Israeli regime supported the terrorist group hamas over a protracted period of time, at the highest levels...
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i'm not sure what the big deal is.
quite frankly i have not even looked into it, i am however assuming what you say is in fact correct and accurate.

this happens all the time all over the world.
at a point in time many nations supported the nationalist party here under the assumption it was in their strategic interests at the time. as things developed here, other nations realised it was no longer in their strategic interests to continue the support, but instead looking forward, switched to supporting the anc and other liberation movements.

a bit further north - zimbabwe.
rhodesia at the time enjoyed the support of the uk.
then as thing were getting a little too warm, switched to supporting mugabe and his movement.
much later down the line as things went off the rails with mugabe & co, support for mugabe came to an end.

this repeats itself across nations looking to secure their strategic interests.
israel is no different.
there would have been a point in time where it was thought supporting hamas made strategic sense - then later down the line as things evolved it not longer made sense and there was no benefit to be derived from supporting what was becoming the enemy
 
Grant said:
i'm not sure what the big deal is.
quite frankly i have not even looked into it, i am however assuming what you say is in fact correct and accurate.

this happens all the time all over the world.
at a point in time many nations supported the nationalist party here under the assumption it was in their strategic interests at the time. as things developed here, other nations realised it was no longer in their strategic interests to continue the support, but instead looking forward, switched to supporting the anc and other liberation movements.

a bit further north - zimbabwe.
rhodesia at the time enjoyed the support of the uk.
then as thing were getting a little too warm, switched to supporting mugabe and his movement.
much later down the line as things went off the rails with mugabe & co, support for mugabe came to an end.

this repeats itself across nations looking to secure their strategic interests.
israel is no different.
there would have been a point in time where it was thought supporting hamas made strategic sense - then later down the line as things evolved it not longer made sense and there was no benefit to be derived from supporting what was becoming the enemy
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I think this is accurate and you see it on a smaller level here in SA where one day silly Cyril is the New Dawn and all and sundry queue up to lick bum.. Takes a little time for it to become a Reality Dawn then he's the evil, spineless froggie boiler and illusions are shattered.
 
Grant said:
i'm not sure what the big deal is.
quite frankly i have not even looked into it, i am however assuming what you say is in fact correct and accurate.

this happens all the time all over the world.
at a point in time many nations supported the nationalist party here under the assumption it was in their strategic interests at the time. as things developed here, other nations realised it was no longer in their strategic interests to continue the support, but instead looking forward, switched to supporting the anc and other liberation movements.

a bit further north - zimbabwe.
rhodesia at the time enjoyed the support of the uk.
then as thing were getting a little too warm, switched to supporting mugabe and his movement.
much later down the line as things went off the rails with mugabe & co, support for mugabe came to an end.

this repeats itself across nations looking to secure their strategic interests.
israel is no different.
there would have been a point in time where it was thought supporting hamas made strategic sense - then later down the line as things evolved it not longer made sense and there was no benefit to be derived from supporting what was becoming the enemy
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I've already made my point

you were the one that was trying to justify what was happening to the gazans on the basis they are always dancing

but the Israeli regime is unaccountable for actually assisting in financing the terrorists called hamas

if you can't see the double standard, thats not my problem
 
saturnz said:
I've already made my point

you were the one that was trying to justify what was happening to the gazans on the basis they are always dancing

but the Israeli regime is unaccountable for actually assisting in financing the terrorists called hamas

if you can't see the double standard, thats not my problem
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Were the funds not meant for the civilians?
 
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